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08-12-2024, 09:36 AM
#351
CincoDeMayo
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Joined APC: Aug 2020
Posts: 2,893
Originally Posted by sinsilvia666
Looks like we just hired Daniel Camjo at f9 from you guys. They say he is joining the f9 legal team on the 12th.
"he will be responsible for legal oversight of all major contractual agreements across the organization, as well as providing legal guidance for the company"
wonder if that's just for our contract talks or a merger setup?
Yup. And its so secretive that he left Spirit years ago, went to Avelo (where he is now) to leave for Frontier, to set up the merger. 🙄
Guy doesnt even work at Spirit.
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08-12-2024, 09:37 AM
#352
CatPilot1
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Joined APC: Jul 2023
Posts: 320
Originally Posted by SSlow
APC's top notch team of financial analysts would disagree with you
im starting to think they only work Sundays, cause theyve been kinda quite today.
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08-12-2024, 01:14 PM
#353
VacancyBid
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Joined APC: Jan 2024
Posts: 204
Originally Posted by Noisecanceller
It matters because thats the competition and who is putting us out of business, not frontier.
Comparison matters, but CASM is a suspect metric. United's CASM for a 777 polaris seat is quite high. Their CASM for a 737 first class seat is high. The relevant comparison would be United to Spirit regular legroom NB coach.
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08-12-2024, 02:11 PM
#354
FriendlyPilot
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Posts: 299
Originally Posted by VacancyBid
Comparison matters, but CASM is a suspect metric. United's CASM for a 777 polaris seat is quite high. Their CASM for a 737 first class seat is high. The relevant comparison would be United to Spirit regular legroom NB coach.
CASM is CASM. It isn't polaris CASM or NB CASM. Its an industry standard that all airlines have agreed to use measuting it the exact same way. Its total OPERATING costs against the TOTAL number of seats. That's because the cost is a cost and a seat mile is a seat mile, whether its a polaris seat or economy.
I get what you're saying, as if each product was stripped out into its own category. In that case the economy CASM isn't really what it appears to be (its much less) because the higher total cost of running a 777 or 787 or boarding meals for First and Premium Plus etc are all distributed among economy seats as well.
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08-12-2024, 02:16 PM
#355
N6279P
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Joined APC: Oct 2014
Posts: 628
Originally Posted by VacancyBid
Comparison matters, but CASM is a suspect metric. United's CASM for a 777 polaris seat is quite high. Their CASM for a 737 first class seat is high. The relevant comparison would be United to Spirit regular legroom NB coach.
Yeah, it doesnt work like that. CASM is averaged no matter what the class type.
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08-12-2024, 02:36 PM
#356
rickair7777
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Joined APC: Jan 2006
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Originally Posted by VacancyBid
Comparison matters, but CASM is a suspect metric. United's CASM for a 777 polaris seat is quite high. Their CASM for a 737 first class seat is high. The relevant comparison would be United to Spirit regular legroom NB coach.
As long as CASM and RASM are calculated the same, they're useful metrics.
Using CASM alone as an apples to apples comparison only works in special cases, such as single class LCC.
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08-13-2024, 06:47 PM
#357
gonyon
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Joined APC: Oct 2010
Posts: 1,430
Originally Posted by bluespoon
I think it’s too late for Spirit to compete with the Legacy’s. They’re going to have to be even better than a legacy as far as product goes if they go that route. They’re already trying the bundle prices but people still know it’s Spirit and maybe they’re still thinking about the last time they were delayed or canceled on them. But I talk to young people in my family and they’re always looking at Frontier or Spirit first before the legacy’s to try to get a cheap flight. They just need to figure out again how to make a profit selling cheap seats.
my flights have been as full as ever. we just aren't able to charge enough.
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08-13-2024, 06:51 PM
#358
gonyon
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Joined APC: Oct 2010
Posts: 1,430
Originally Posted by BusBoi
Most of the people I talk to in the real world like Spirit, especially younger people. They actually say the service is decent enough with no significant complaints. They also say that we're still usually significantly cheaper than the big 3. Last summer when a couple friends wanted to go to Vegas, they flew Spirit. Even with bag fees they said it was like one-third of what United was demanding (the only other airline offering nonstop on that route).
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08-14-2024, 12:30 PM
#359
DrSteveBrule
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Joined APC: Dec 2019
Position: A320 For Your Health
Posts: 326
What's all this about alpa reps signing new NDAs and days later billing the pilot group for the next four months to fund a merger account? What's the rumor?
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08-14-2024, 01:41 PM
#360
Stayontarget
Almost there
Joined APC: Apr 2021
Posts: 1,256
Originally Posted by DrSteveBrule
What's all this about alpa reps signing new NDAs and days later billing the pilot group for the next four months to fund a merger account? What's the rumor?
According to Halon the SWA merger is about to be announced anyday.
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